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Rev Watt
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 Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Look at all that wasted water! |
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On the way home tonight from a meeting in Gympie I decided to see how high the river was over the Traveston Crossing Bridge - going in from the Blackgate way I was stopped by a Road Flooded sign - Oh well it must be over - then I thought I would still like to see it so I slipped around the signs on the road in from the Kandanga approach. It was 10 to eleven. The water was just under the give way sign and the headlights showed a perfect upsidedown reflection of the sign so it looked like an egg timer X - If only I had my camera.
Well there was someone else there. Two 4X4's. One left immediately I arrived. The other took longer to go because he was putting a tripod away. But my headlights framed the unmistakable face of Mr Newton.
Someone did have a camera taking the water levels near eleven o'clock at night.
SO EXPECT MORE GLOSSY PHOTOS "SAYING LOOK AT ALL THIS WATER GOING DOWN THE DRAIN - WE WILL CATCH IT ALL - THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR TURTLES, FISH, FROGS AND FARMERS AND RIVER FLUSHING errr i mean FOR STORING WATER FOR THE POPULATION IN BRISBANE AND MAKING MEGABUCKS."
I SHOULDA JUST PUSHED HIM IN WHILST I HAD THE CHANCE!
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elaine
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if Mr Newton would also like to take photos of the Somerset Dam inflows - the Stanley River catchment got a lot more water than the Mary, so Somerset might very well go over into Wivenhoe. And the same also for the North Pine Dam, which is getting great flows from its catchment.
Maybe he should also have taken photos of the flooding in Pomona, Cooran, Buderim and Yandina. And in Brisbane - Kedron Brook went right over, and Ann St in the central CBD was underwater. And lots of other places, too.
Yep, Mr Newton, you have photos to prove that the Mary River got a heap of water in it this week. So what? When it rains really hard, we have good inflows into rivers and dams. Wherever it rains hard. Not just at Traveston Crossing Bridge, but everywhere
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DougHaigh_JenMercer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Forward scout?? |
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Around lunchtime yesterday Doug and I headed off into Gympie and decided we'd detour and have a close look at Mary down at the TC. One family car had pulled over before the approach to the bridge and the children were out looking at the rising water but over the other side of the bridge stood a person in a tieless white shirt and suit, taking photos of the water racing to the side of the bridge, using his mobile phone. When we slowed and approached he jumped back into his car.
Wonder if he was Nootuns forward scout, alerting him to the great photo opportunity. 
Big deal boys .... as Elaine says ... there was water everywhere. If your spin doctors use that downpour as further confirmation for proceeding with the Dam then they are again clutching at straws and it's becoming painfully obvious that they are doing just that... and of course everyone's heard about the straw that broke the camel's back! |
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Darren E
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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I nearly posted a QWIPL Watch message yesterday saying "it's been raining - expect to see Graeme Newton with a camera".
Then I thought - no, people will think I'm paranoid. Now I wish I had. Good on you Rev Watt for catching him in the act.
While we're making suggestions for photo opportunities - he should take some photos of water gushing off roof-tops all around Brisbane too. The average household has had something like 40,000 L fall on it's roof in the past few days - i.e. about 3 months worth of water for a family of 3 at 140 L/person/day. 
I wonder how much of it was captured in tanks.
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Shirley E
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Just in case we mistook the reason for the photos, below has been copied from p1812 of Hansard (3/6/08.) | Quote: | Mr LUCAS: This photograph I have here was taken yesterday, just downstream of the dam site. I table that photograph. It shows the Traveston Crossing bridge underwater again, as it was in January this year—and I table a photograph showing that—and August last year. I also have here a photo of it this morning, with the water levels still rising.
Tabled paper: Photograph endorsed ‘Traveston Crossing Bridge yesterday afternoon 4.45 pm June 2 2008’
Tabled paper: Photograph endorsed ‘Traveston Crossing Bridge January 5 2008’.
Tabled paper: Copy front page of The Courier-Mail dated 25-26 August 2007 and endorsed ‘Traveston Crossing Bridge August
2007’.
Tabled paper: Photograph endorsed ‘Traveston Crossing Bridge this morning June 3 2008’.. |
I wonder how much Mr Newton is paid to stand around staring at rising flood levels from 4:45pm to 10:50pm? |
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Rev Watt
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Traveston Dam 'filled 6 times' |
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Surprise surprise surprise!
Traveston Dam 'filled 6 times'
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/traveston-dam-filled-6-times/2008/06/04/1212258869154.html?page=2
| Quote: | Tony Moore | June 4, 2008 - 10:38AM
The Traveston Crossing Dam south of Gympie would have filled six times since 2002 because of extra coastal rainfall, the state government company responsible for building the dam said this morning.
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POLL: Time to put away the hose?
FACTBOX: Mary River stream flow levels
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However, the claims prompted Mary River residents to ask the State Government why it had not pushed ahead with stormwater harvesting around Brisbane.
Queensland Water Infrastructure CEO Graeme Newton said areas within the dam catchment received more than 300mm since Thursday last week.
Mr Newton said the latest rainfall disputed conservation claims that the stream flow into the dam catchment was too irregular for the 153,000 megalitre dam site.
"That's a furphy and with respect, if the dam had been built in 2002 - so taking into account this latest drought period - the dam would have filled and spilled six times in six years," Mr Newton said.
"We have looked at over 100 years of stream flow modelling and we have put a conservative take on it. It would have been full."
Mr Newton disputed claims that the Wivenhoe stream system was more efficient.
"It consistently gets 55 per cent more rain than Wivenhoe, that's looking at the full 100 plus years of rainfall," he said.
"And because of its coastal rainfall, it gets this 55 per cent more rain."
Heavy rains on the Sunshine Coast in the past three days meant the Traveston Crossing Bridge was flooded by several metres, with stream flows of more than 53,000 million litres per day flowing over the point where the dam wall is designed to be built.
Mr Newton said the water flow was proof the site attracted enough coastal rainfall to justify the dam's construction.
The Traveston Crossing Dam hopes to provide 70,000 megalitres of water each year.
"So in the past three to four days, half the annual yield went past the site," he said.
"Stream flow at Dagun Pocket, just downstream of the dam, was flowing at over 53,000 million litres per day at 10.45am yesterday. That's the equivalent of a rate that would fill over 14 Olympic-sized swimming pools per minute."
Since Thursday, rain across the catchment has ranged from 396mm at Baroon Boat Ramp, 334mm at Obi Lookout and 313mm at Maleny.
In comparison, in the Wivenhoe Dam catchment since Thursday, rainfall has ranged from 69mm-87mm, while the Somerset Dam catchment received slightly more, ranging from 69mm to 194mm.
However, Save the Mary River campaigner Kevin Ingersole said the flooding was a sporadic event which could not relied upon for dam flow.
He said the State Government should instead expand its efforts to harvest the stormwater which fell onto the roofs and roads in Brisbane.
He estimated the steady rainfall on 15 per cent of the 2154s square kilometres of Brisbane that was "occupied by roofs and roads and hard surfaces" was valuable stormwater which could be harvested.
"Do the maths and you come up with something like 25 per cent of the 70,000 megalitres (from Traveston)," Mr Ingersole said.
"In 24 hours, the Queensland Government - had it invested in a couple of years ago invested in decent stormwater harvesting infrastructure - would have got 25 per cent of what they claim that they are going to get out of Traveston Crossing Dam each year, in one day.
"And I think that is more important than talking about whether the Traveston Crossing Dam would work or won't work.
"The fact of the matter is that the dam has a whole lot more problems than how much rainfall falls in the catchment."
He said the Mary River was renowned for long periods of low flows and then strong flooding rains.
In comparison, in the Wivenhoe Dam catchment since Thursday, rainfall has ranged from 69mm-87mm, while the Somerset Dam catchment received slightly more, ranging from 69mm to 194mm.
However, Save the Mary River campaigner Kevin Ingersole said the flooding was a sporadic event which could not relied upon for dam flow.
He said the State Government should instead expand its efforts to harvest the stormwater which fell onto the roofs and roads in Brisbane.
He estimated the steady rainfall on 15 per cent of the 2154s square kilometres of Brisbane that was "occupied by roofs and roads and hard surfaces" was valuable stormwater which could be harvested.
"Do the maths and you come up with something like 25 per cent of the 70,000 megalitres (from Traveston)," Mr Ingersole said.
"In 24 hours, the Queensland Government - had it invested in a couple of years ago invested in decent stormwater harvesting infrastructure - would have got 25 per cent of what they claim that they are going to get out of Traveston Crossing Dam each year, in one day.
"And I think that is more important than talking about whether the Traveston Crossing Dam would work or won't work.
"The fact of the matter is that the dam has a whole lot more problems than how much rainfall falls in the catchment."
He said the Mary River was renowned for long periods of low flows and then strong flooding rains. |
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