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SteveB
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Dagun
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Commencement of works, eviction of leasees - Senate Question |
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Appendix C5 of the supplementary EIS outlines the 'geotechnical investigation' that involves building mining haul roads, blasting and digging more than 20,000 cubic metres (30,000 tonnes) of rock from the ridge on the eastern edge of the dam wall. In spite of the fact that this entails the eviction of the landholders in the area and is the start of the clearing, blasting and excavation operations that are required to build the dam wall - QWI insists that this activity does not form part of the dam project. Even though they are digging a hole that would normally require a mining approval from EPA, QWI insist that they are only mining 200 tonnes of rock - which they can approve themselves because they have been granted the powers of a local planning authority.
Bob Brown asked a question about this in the senate yesterday, to which there was a follow-up question later in the day Here is the Hansard transcript of those parts of the debate. (The proof hansard transcript shows the numbers out by an extra zero - the rock sample that QWI have given themselves permission to take is 200 cubic metres, the size of the hole they want to cut to take that sample is 20,000 cubic metres).
Traveston Crossing Dam
Senator BOB BROWN (2.21 pm)—My question
goes, with some notice, to the Minister representing the
Minister for the Environment, Heritage and the Arts. It
regards the Traveston Dam. I ask: is it true that earthworks
are underway at the dam site to remove 200,000
cubic metres of overburden and 20,000 cubic metres of
rock preparatory to building the dam, and have eviction
notices been given to at least half-a-dozen local farmers
effective by the end of this month? I ask the minister:
is it not a clear breach of the spirit, if not the letter,
of the law for the project to have got underway, as it
obviously has done, before the minister for the environment
completed an assessment?
Senator WONG—Senator Brown, I did make some
inquiries, given you indicated that you had some concerns
about these issues. A similar question was asked
at estimates by Senator Macdonald in relation to various
activities being asserted. Can I just step back for a
moment and remind the Senate what Minister Garrett’s
role is in relation to the proposed dam. Mr Garrett is
the minister making a determination under the EPBC
Act. That assessment and approval process is not a political
process; it is a process predicated on a rigorous
and comprehensive scientific assessment of this project,
as with any other project. I am advised that the
Queensland government has yet to finalise the assessment
report for Traveston Crossing Dam and has not
yet approved the dam under state legislation. I emphasise
again that Minister Garrett’s responsibilities for
decision making under the EPBC Act will only commence
once that assessment report has been submitted
to him, and the timing of that is at the discretion of the
Queensland Coordinator-General.
In relation to the specific issues raised, Senator
Brown, it may be that further information may be
available, given the additional detail you have provided
us with today. Can I indicate to you that my advice is
that the Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage
and the Arts, which is responsible for the administration
of this legislation, has not given any explicit or
implied authorisation that would allow the construction
of the Traveston Crossing Dam to commence prior to a
final decision to approve or not approve under the
EPBC Act in terms of the process I have outlined.
I am advised that the department is also not aware of
any notification or advice having been given to local
residents by any other party that they should expect
construction to commence prior to the required approvals
having been obtained. It is the case that commencement
of construction prior to the conclusion of
an assessment process would constitute a breach of
section 74AA of the EPBC Act, and such a breach
would be investigated by the department as appropriate.
I am advised that the proponent has notified the department
that they will be undertaking a range of investigative
geotechnical works necessary to inform design
elements of the proposal. The advice I have received is
that the department’s view is that these investigations
do not constitute the taking of an action that has been
referred for assessment under the EPBC Act. That action
is the construction and operation of the Traveston
Crossing Dam. It is also the case that the proponent has
notified the department of their intention to conduct
other geotechnical investigations in the vicinity relating
to the upgrade of community facilities. Similarly,
my advice is that this is not considered to be part of the
referred action.
Senator BOB BROWN—Mr President, I ask a
supplementary question. Did the minister, as distinct
from the department, make the decisions on the socalled
preparatory work, which as she indicated is essential
to the dam proceeding and therefore should be
seen as part of the construction? Secondly, if it is true
that people have been given until the end of the month
to vacate their land, without the minister’s knowledge,
is this a breach of either an arrangement with the
Queensland government or the legislation to which she
refers? Finally, is it possible for the Queensland government
to build a dam and do everything except put
the plug in before the minister takes action?
Senator WONG—The answer in relation to the last
question is no. I have clearly indicated the advice the
government has about the nature of the action which is
to be determined under the EPBC Act. The second
point I would make is that Senator Brown made an
assertion about my answer which I do not regard as an
accurate reading of the answer I gave. I made it clear
that commencement of construction prior to the conclusion
could constitute a breach, but there was a distinction
in the advice given to me—
Senator Bob Brown interjecting—
Senator WONG—I appreciate that Senator Brown
has strong views about this, but there was a distinction
in terms of the advice given to me as between that and
investigative geotechnical works necessary to inform
design elements of the proposal. If Senator Brown considers
that there has been a breach—and I referred to
the section that would enable such investigation—he is
welcome to provide further details to enable an assessment
as to whether such an investigation should
occur.
Traveston Crossing Dam
Senator BOB BROWN (Tasmania—Leader of the
Australian Greens) (3.31 pm)—I move:
That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister
for Climate Change and Water (Senator Wong) to a
question without notice asked by Senator Bob Brown today
relating to the proposed Traveston Crossing Dam, Queensland.
I would like to take note of Senator Wong’s answer
because what is occurring in Queensland is analogous
to what happened on the Franklin Dam in 1982-83, in
that the state authorities are moving to carry out infrastructure
even before the full assessment and the process,
certainly between the Commonwealth and state,
has been settled.
There cannot be two ways about this. The state government
cannot be issuing eviction orders to farmers—
even those who have negotiated some lease-back arrangement—
to enable explosive testing to be done at
the dam site and to have the removal of tens of thousands
of cubic metres of overburden and rock but at the
same time say that they are, in some way or another,
assessing the impact of this scheme. At best, it has to
be said that it is irresponsible of the state government
to be allowing QWI—the water authority in Queensland
that is looking at four dam proposals—to be proceeding
to spend large amounts of taxpayers’ money
without the approval for the dam to proceed and without,
indeed, the authority of the Commonwealth.
The question here—and it goes straight to the Minister
for the Environment, Heritage and the Arts, the
Hon. Peter Garrett—is: at what stage does the assessment
by people in departments end and the minister
take action? The minister should be making it clear to
the Queensland authorities that the major works involved—
certainly where they are so advanced that they
are leading to the effective eviction of neighbours from
the site—have gone beyond the simple assessment of
the region for the purposes of the dam proposal. Indeed,
the proposal, when it went the Queensland cabinet,
and when it goes to the federal cabinet via the national
minister for the environment, should at that stage
cease further advancement. The proposal is in. The
proposal for the Mary River Dam has been made. And
it is quite irresponsible for these major works to be
proceeding while further consideration is underway.
This is effectively the pre-emption by the Queensland
authorities of decisions to be made by elected representatives
in both parliaments—certainly in the national
parliament and by the federal minister for the environment,
and that means the federal cabinet. It is arrogant,
it is expensive, and it is very, very unfair to the hundreds,
if not thousands, of farmers, tourism operators,
environmentalists and people who are associated with
the area to be destroyed by this dam were it to proceed.
What I say to the federal government is: this should
not be allowed to be a process of attrition and caving in
at the end. The minister needs to make a stand on this
matter. The minister should be in contact with Premier
Bligh and, if she is not in contact with QWI, put an end
to these works at the site. I can tell you that the locals
are very, very seriously disturbed. For them, it is a decision
as to whether or not this is the start of the dam
works. They ought not to be put in that position when
they know that the federal minister has not got to first
base, effectively, in making a decision on this matter.
There is a lot at stake here. I have moved, and this
Senate has agreed, that there is a need for the Queensland
authorities to be looking at all the prudent and
feasible alternatives. That is what Premier Bligh should
be doing, instead of allowing her bureaucrats to run her
government and the decision-making process. She
ought to be saying, ‘We are using this time to look at
the prudent and feasible alternative for Brisbane and
the south-east corner of Queensland in terms of using
the water that is available much more wisely than it has
been up to now. This dam is not necessary. It is an expensive
alternative to prudent and feasible action by
the Bligh government. (Time expired)
Question agreed to. _________________ "Bad luck ... you dickheads. Suffer in your jocks". (from: the Castle) |
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westholme
Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2628 Location: Amamoor
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Bob Brown. Your words are like music to my ears. _________________ CESARE LOMBROSO "The ignorant man always adores what he cannot understand" |
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arawajo
Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 628
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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And what happened to chaining ourselves to the bulldozers? Are we just letting it all happen are we? Just talk about it and have a whinge then move on? _________________ When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes obligation" - Steve Biko |
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Darren E
Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2075 Location: Dagun, Qld
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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As I read it, ever since the proposed project was declared a "controlled action" under the EPBC Act, the only activities which are allowed to proceed are those which are required to inform the assessment of the project under the Act.
So, for instance, drilling of some holes to determine the size / shape / construction method of the proposed dam wall was OK - this info was required to help determine the impacts so they could be assessed. Ditto for the water quality investigations.
But bulldozing a house, for example, is not OK. Digging a 20,000 BCM test pit is certainly, emphatically not OK. It does not help inform the assessment, and it is therefore part of the construction phase of the project, not the assessment. As SteveB points out, such a pit would probably constitute a “controlled action” in its own right.
It is simple to demonstrate that these actions do not inform the assessment - because QWI has already submitted their EIS. Unless QWI are specifically requested by the Federal Department to undertake further investigations, anything they do from now on is an advancement of the project itself, not the assessment. Non-physical stuff - like design calculations - is OK, but anything on-ground must be considered “construction”.
Under the EPBC Act, QWI do not have the authority to say whether or not a particular on-ground physical aspect of the job will or will not impact on the MNES (matters of environmental significance) governed by the Act. It is all part of the overall “controlled action” which is under assessment, and only the Federal assessment can determine what the impacts are and whether they may be allowed under the Act.
Penny Wong says: | Quote: | | I am advised that the proponent has notified the department that they will be undertaking a range of investigative geotechnical works necessary to inform design elements of the proposal. The advice I have received is that the department’s view is that these investigations do not constitute the taking of an action that has been referred for assessment under the EPBC Act. That action is the construction and operation of the Traveston Crossing Dam. | That might sound OK when you say it quickly, but if you follow the same line of logic, you could build the entire dam wall – all except the last brick – and call it an “investigation”.
No, QWI are breaching the EPBC Act, and by doing it so openly they are snubbing their noses at the Federal Minister and Federal Law, IMHO. If the EPBC Act doesn't have the teeth to stop this kind of bullshit, or the Federal Department is too gutless to enforce it, then they may as well pack their bags and go home and stop wasting taxpayer's money pretending. _________________ "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" - anon.
"There can be no liberty for a community which lacks the means by which to detect lies" - Walter Lippman |
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Darren E
Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2075 Location: Dagun, Qld
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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This is a good start.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/14/2419537.htm
| Quote: | Garrett orders probe into Traveston dam work
Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett has ordered an investigation into geotechnical work at the site of the proposed Traveston Crossing dam in Queensland's south-east.
A spokesman for Mr Garrett says his department will look into whether work by Queensland Water Infrastructure is contravening the federal Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act.
The investigation was ordered after concerns were raised about earthworks being done on the site.
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh denies any blasting has occurred at the site of the proposed dam.
The issue was raised in both state and federal parliaments yesterday.
Ms Bligh says there is drilling as part of geotechnical investigations but no blasting.
The president of the Save the Mary River Coordinating Group, Kevin Ingersole, says locals are indignant the Queensland Government has built a road system at the dam site before getting Commonwealth approval.
Mr Ingersole says he is glad the Federal Government is investigating.
"From day one, people in our community have said we will not allow the government to start building the dam at Traveston Crossing without the approval process having been completed," he said.
"If they throw away the rule book and try something like that on, they'll get an appropriate response."
Mr Ingersole says a road system has been built - even though the dam has not been approved by the Commonwealth.
"A few locals have mentioned this to various people in the Government and asked what's going on and the response has always been - 'it's just for their drill rigs for their geotechnical investigations'," he said.
"But everybody understands that you can drag a drilling rig up a goat track - you don't need the sort of super highway approach.
"They've spend the money to do that sort of work." |
_________________ "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" - anon.
"There can be no liberty for a community which lacks the means by which to detect lies" - Walter Lippman |
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Glenda Pickersgill
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 367 Location: Kandanga
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: Clear intent to excavate 20,000m3 before Federal approval |
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| Quote: | | Appendix C5 of the supplementary EIS outlines the 'geotechnical investigation' that involves building mining haul roads, blasting and digging more than 20,000 cubic metres (30,000 tonnes) of rock from the ridge on the eastern edge of the dam wall. |
There is ambiguity in the supplementary EIS that is concerning where in the main report section 2.1.1 the preliminary works are described and proposed to be commenced immediately after state and federal approval. Included there is the geotechnical drilling and trial blasting on the right abutment to determine the suitability of the material for construction purposes.
However in Appendix C5 ERA 20 APPLICATION, there are details for an application of a Environmentally Relevant Activity (ERA) 20 level 1 (b)Extracting rock or other material (5,000t or more but less than 100,000t per year), show plans to remove 30,000 tonnes of overburden to get to 200 tonnes of rock to test in an open cut pit to assess suitability for using in the dam wall. This is planned for the top of the ridge and in this Appendix C5(marked draft) is subject only to EPA approval as soon as the Coordinator General has completed his report. This could be any time in the near future.
Also in Appendix C5 section 2.1.1 it states “ Under Section 38 of the SDPWOA, the decision stage of IDAS for applications associated with the project (where the CG is not the assessment manager), cannot commence until the CG gives the assessment manager a copy of the Coordinator-General’s report. QWI understands that the EPA is unable to commence the decision period for material change of use applications that are associated with the project (which by giving approval would constitute the commencement of the project), until the CG’s report has been received. It is important to note that the conduct of this activity is for assessment purposes only, and does not constitute the commencement of the Traveston Crossing Dam project.”
What is the approval process for the ERA by the EPA given that it appears that this is being progressed as “geotechnical investigation” and statements like “It is important to note that the conduct of this activity is for assessment purposes only, and does not constitute the commencement of the Traveston Crossing Dam project” are made in Appendix C5?
It also mentions in Appendix C5 section 3 “The overburden material will be stockpiled, and used to reinstate the excavation if the rock is determined to be unsuitable for construction, or the project is not approved by the State or Federal Government” giving clear indication that QWIPL intend to progress this before Federal approvals.
It also mentions in Appendix C5 section 3 “The floor of the pit will be left free draining as the excavation forms a slot into the ridge, and is not a blind hole (see QWI Drawing No. 229937). As stated above, if the site is ultimately not developed as proposed, QWI commit to return and flatten the side slopes, with the floor level raised in the process, to grades that could then be topsoiled and grassed. The site will always be maintained in a safe manner in that it will be fenced (security type 2 m high). The spoil dump will be graded to an average slope of 1:2 (V:H) but with benches and berms. Intermediate slopes will be 1:1.5. The lower slope will be rock covered to protect toe from stream erosion and the remainder top soiled and grass seeded, with the benches used to control surface drainage. If the site has to be rehabilitated to allow fencing removal, then the excavation will be opened out to flatter slopes (about 1:2) and top soiled and seeded.” .. giving again clear indication that QWIPL intend to progress this before federal approvals and leave the excavation open (contradicts above statement of “reinstate” the excavation.).
The reason given in Appendix C5 for the excavation:
“In order to gain a better understanding of the material at the dam site a significant program of geotechnical drilling was conducted during the preparation of the EIS. A total of 76 bore holes were drilled in and around the dam site. The preliminary materials investigations identified that further extraction is required to conduct additional geotechnical testing. This testing is required to confirm that the site contains suitable construction materials for the project, which would reduce the need to source materials away from the dam site.
In this phase, to undertake a reliable assessment of the material off site, including trial concrete and aggregate mixes, it is necessary to extract approximately 200 tonnes of rock. This will be tested off site over various periods, to determine the suitability of the material for use in the RCC dam wall. The results of the testing will help to determine whether substantial quantities of material can be sourced from the site and thus, the extent to which off site material is required. In order to access this rock material, approximately 20,000m3 (30,000 t) of overburden is required to be excavated. Therefore the total amount of material to be extracted will be approximately 30,200 t of material. The overburden material will be stockpiled, and used to reinstate the excavation if the rock is determined to be unsuitable for construction, or the project is not approved by the State or Federal Government”
There is clear indication that QWIPL intends to do this geotechnical extraction before federal approval from what can be gleaned from this "draft" appendix 15 in the "leaked" copy of the supplementary EIS..
Why can't the state government just come out and be honest about what they plan to do before Federal approval and be accountable for all these costs?
Surely this geotechnical testing could be done from the drill samples without the expense and visual eyesore of a hugh excavation on the top of a ridge???  |
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Darren E
Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2075 Location: Dagun, Qld
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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There were some good articles about this in today's GT. Hopefully they'll be available on the web soon.
After all the denials, arguments, mistruths, etc, a picture truly is worth 1,000 words.
If you didn't catch the front page, here is a photo of the excavator QWIPL has brought on site for their "geotechnical investigations".
The 255LCV is not a toy.
It weighs 25 metric tonnes. It has a reach of 10 metres and a dig depth of 6.6 metres. It can lift up to 8.6 metric tonnes in a single scoop (with the standard 2.4 metre wide bucket).
It is, as they say, clearly not there just to $&#*@ spiders. _________________ "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" - anon.
"There can be no liberty for a community which lacks the means by which to detect lies" - Walter Lippman |
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cirod
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 60 Location: Amamoor
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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This morning (Sunday) there was a helicopter circling over the proposed dam wall site.
It was circling there for about 10 minutes.
I guess taking pictures.
Anybody knows who was it? _________________ "Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights.
Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for dinner."--Larry Flynt |
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DougHaigh_JenMercer
Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 654 Location: Mary Valley
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Probably TV News trying to take shots of us waving SAVE the MARY RIVER placards at the 3 busloads of ANCOLD people who arrived for morning tea under QWIPL tents over at the site of the proposed dam wall !!
Quite a flurry of activity down there at "Gate 2" !!
The security guards got a bit of a workout this morning...  |
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Glenda Pickersgill
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 367 Location: Kandanga
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Darren E
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Fantastic work, Glenda.
I trust you are assisting Peter Garrett's department with their investigation.  _________________ "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" - anon.
"There can be no liberty for a community which lacks the means by which to detect lies" - Walter Lippman |
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